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Another Datuk in hot soup
Posted on 07 May 2007 by Suanie
Yesterday NST reported that an unnamed Datuk has been arrested in Jakarta for multi-level marketing (MLM) scams ( story link ). According to the news report, the MLM company ‘produces limited-edition coins and medals, jewellery and timepieces sold through network marketing.’
Today the Datuk has been named…
Datuk wanted in RM308m fraud case
By : Alang Bendahara
Businessman Datuk Vijayeswaran S. Vijayaratnam, who was arrested in Jakarta last week, is wanted in connection with a US$90 million (RM308m) fraud case in the Philippines.
Indonesian police are co-ordinating with their Filipino counterparts to extradite him to Quezon City where a warrant of arrest has been issued against him for a nine-year-old case.
The warrant is for fraud and conspiracy, according to the Interpol website.
The 46-year-old is the group managing director of QI Limited, which is based in Hong Kong with branches in 30 countries from Australia to Brazil. Its regional office in Malaysia is in Petaling Jaya. ( Story link )
I wonder how this will turn out. After all as the peribahasa goes, ‘kalau tak ada angin, pokok tak akan bergoyang’. What other idioms can you think of?
(As this is an on-going investigation, please be civil and not make unwarranted or unfounded remarks or statements in the comments. Thank you.)
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08 May 2007 03:35 1Peribahasa?: How about “Innocent until proven guilty”
Also do include the balance of the article:
It is learnt that the charge, filed by the Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Ministry, was dropped several years later.
Last night, QI group director of finance Richard E. Zinkiewicz issued a statement on the arrest of Vijayeswaran and three others, saying that to date, there had not been any hearing in any court on the entire merits of the case against any of the individuals.
“The case is currently pending further determination before the Court of Appeal in the Philippines.
“We wish to reiterate that the case is in no way related to the business activities of any of the companies of the group.”
He also claimed that the issues relating to the matters reported, including in respect of Indonesia and one of QI’s businesses, had been overstated and inaccurate.
“We are certain that in due course, the truth will unfold and all events will be presented in their correct perspective as opposed to the regrettable manner in which they have currently been stated.”
Zinkiewicz also confirmed that the company and its representatives were co-operating fully with Interpol in Indonesia on the matter.
08 May 2007 09:14 2News update:
Gus Dur lodges report against Vijayeswaran
“[…]The report was lodged yesterday against Vijayeswaran and others for fraud and embezzlement. He added that this was a crime under article 370 and 372 of the Criminal Code.
Vijayeswaran and his colleagues had tried to cheat Gus Dur during his term in office from 1999-2001, offering to print gold coins bearing his picture and that of his grandfather, Hasyim Asyari.
But Gus Dur never gave them permission to use either his own picture or that of his grandfather, a highly-revered ulama who founded the country’s largest Muslim organisation, Nahdlatul Ulama (NU) which claims 40 million followers.
Vijayeswaran and his partners allegedly used his multi-level marketing network to solicit funds from NU followers by offering to sell them gold coins bearing Gus Dur and Hasyim Asyari’s pictures.
Some of the NU followers paid deposits to Vijayeswaran’s network while some had paid the full price. The coin could cost anything from five million rupiah (RM1,900) to 100 million rupiah, said Ikhsan.
Vijayeswaran company’s continued to solicit funds from the public even after Gus Dur stepped down as president, he added.
According to Ikhsan, many of the NU followers did not receive any gold coins after paying up.”[…]
08 May 2007 17:39 3Wow even Gus Dur is so dumb. Goodness he was removed from the presidency.
08 May 2007 20:11 4Perhaps QI in Malaysia is operating a product-based pyramid scheme (see explanation - http://www.amquix.info/product_pyramid.html
)instead of a genuine MLM business as its most popular product, the Bio Disc, a round palm-sized concave glass device which is touted as a cure-all for various ailments but without FDA approval, is sold at an unusally high price. Perhaps the Trade Ministry should look into the company’s MLM marketing plan as well as find out why its products should be so expensive.
09 May 2007 09:24 5News update:
NST’s exclusive interview with Datuk Vijayeswaran
“KUALA LUMPUR: “This is the most challenging time of my life.”
Embattled Malaysian businessman Datuk Vijayeswaran S. Vijayaratnam, who is now being held in a Jakarta lock-up, told the New Straits Times in an exclusive interview that “I have embraced this challenge.”
Replying to questions channelled through QI Limited group director of finance Richard E. Zinkiewicz, Vijayeswaran said he was sure he would be found innocent.
“My wife and I are confident we will come through because the truth will always shine.”
He thanked the many supporters who have offered prayers for his speedy release.
“I believe God tests hardest the ones he loves the most.
“All over the world, my friends have been sending me messages of support through my people here.”
Vijayeswaran said he was being treated well by his Indonesian jailors.
The 46-year-old group managing director of QI Limited is, however, not only depending on divine intervention to get him out of the pickle he is in.
His lawyers said they had lodged a police report against a consultant, a woman, who they accuse of manipulating a contract between Vijayeswaran and Gus Dur.
The woman was a former director of PT GoldQuest Indonesia, a subsidiary of QI Limited.
The lawyers said the woman was hired as the consultant in the deal to mint coins with the picture of Gus Dur and his grandfather, Hasyim Asyari, the founder of the country’s largest Muslim organisation, Nahdlatul Ulama (NU).
It is learnt that Vijayeswaran’s lawyers have copies of the contract which was signed by the Malaysian businessman and Gus Dur on May 2, 2003.”
09 May 2007 13:38 6Amquix is Amway, a disgrunted competitor of QI, of course la find this opportunity to taruh kau kau its competitor that is taking away lots of its business. QI is the 1st network marketing company in the world to be allowed to operate in Singapore, even paving the way for Amway to eventually set up operations there. I believe Amway has to change some of its procedures on commission payment as it resembles pyramid schemes. Go figure…
09 May 2007 18:24 7The whole thing smells fishy to me. Something is not right here.
How can a country issue a warrant of arrest when there is no charge has been filed ?
09 May 2007 23:18 8(Please delete my previous message & replace it with this one.Thanks!).
If one searches the Internet for more info about QI(Goldquest), one will find out that its MLM or pyramid scheme has been banned in countries like Iran, Albania, Bhutan & Nepal. The company has also got itself in trouble with the law in India & Philippines.
10 May 2007 09:06 9It’s definitely a pyramid scheme. Products are just a cover-up. Why would any1 pay sometin like RM2k for a gold coin that’s highly difficult to sell back? It’s obvious all the excessive profits go back to the company…Emphasis on this MLM is again recruitment and not selling of products..
11 May 2007 01:03 10dear jim,
“scheme has been banned in countries like Iran, Albania, Bhutan & Nepal”
call me naive, but I would rather trust the spore and malaysian government then those you just named above…
11 May 2007 12:01 11Dear Richard:
With the recent unexpected arrest of the four, perhaps it’s also about time for the government to seek expert help & conduct a more thorough investigation of QI’s business to determine whether to renew or revoke the MLM licence granted to them earlier.
11 May 2007 22:56 12Does QI gold’s got anyhing to do with Yamashita’s gold .there r rumours’s about it . pls answer if anyone knows .
13 May 2007 14:42 13Why it is an poblem to buy products cheap and sell it expensive ? do you think realy to pay an appropriate price for an watch ??? NO. 50% of the price is marketing. The feeling to be part of the rich people is part of the price. And this is called Business.
A Company try to sell products for an price to peoples the are willing to pay. No Copmpany is holding an gun in the back of the buyer.
That’s just sour grapes if the have poblmes with sucsessfull business mans.
Work harder and you have also the change to be rich.
14 May 2007 11:10 1450 per cent of price goes to marketing? Take Bio Disc as an example. Looks like a simple piece of glass. Not independently tested by Food & Drug Administration(USA) or SIRIM (Malaysia). Current regular price - US$520.00 per piece. So is US$260 the real cost of manufacturing it…??? But good news - until the end of this month there’s a special promo price for the Bio Disc. So what is the real cost of manufacturing it…??? Do take a good look at an actual piece of Bio Disc & make a sane judgment.
15 May 2007 00:14 15Dear All,
What about Lampe Berger? Any comments?
16 May 2007 13:21 16The truth of the matter is this.. “people will buy anything at anyprice, if they see value”.
A computer printer and scanner can be bought for $100, and yet a pair of tiny ink cartridges for the same may cost you up to $200. Thats just marketing, thats just business, and thats just life.
Why would someone pay milions of dollars for a bad painting by some dead guy who cut of his ear because he was rejected by his girlfriend?
Perhaps the biosphere has multiple uses that we don’t know of, maybe it could be used as a paperweight as well, or a decoration in a fish tank, or a magnifying glass when you read the newspaper. Perhaps people are hoping that the company goes under, then maybe the biosphereres may become collectibles as they are no longer available in the market, and could fetch much higher prices if auctioned on ebay.
God alone knows what peoples rationale is when they part with their money, and all I can say is, they usually deserve what they end up getting for it.
16 May 2007 13:23 17Sorry..not biosphere..err..bioscam..oops..i meant biodisc.. whatever!
16 May 2007 22:44 18GoldQuest, QuestNet, Amway all are crooked Pyramid organisations. These organisers are siphoning Billions of $ from poor countries who do not have strict laws to combat pyramid schemes. Then they use that Pyramid money to launder through stock exchanges of less developed countries. There is strong allegations that part of GoldQuest money is filetered to LTTE terrorists in Sri Lanka. These guys bribe top officials of countries showering millions of $ to not to take actions against them. People beware! Do not allow GlodQuest to operate in your countries. It will make you another Albania!
16 May 2007 22:48 19Sri Lanka banned GoldQuest when people lost Millions of $ to Quest International’s Pyramid Scheme.
17 May 2007 09:48 20Iskandar’s comments are soooo funny!!!…ha!ha!ha!
17 May 2007 11:02 21Thanks Lisa, love people with a sense of humour! And honestly, some scams are so obvious one wonders how people get caught in them. Sadly, the one’s who get scammed unfortunately wont be able to share in the hilarity.
I personally love the concept of Network Marketing and have met many people who have made these models work very legitimately and professionally. I suppose it all boils down to doing ones due diligence, before investing huge sums of money or time.
Just the other day there were two Datin’s in an internet cafe sitting next to me who had absolutely no idea what they were doing trying to “invest” in some online Multi Level investment scheme. I can only assume they were doing it at the cafe as they did not want their spouses to know what they were doing. At the same time, Bank Negara is headlining in the papers to urge people not to get involved in these “grey” investment schemes.
I could not help but have a good chuckle inside!
21 May 2007 14:35 22I would like to react on the former writter critics. I understand the fear of things which do not sound the usual things we have been use to. Mum always said work hard in school obtain a degree find a job and invest in pension scheme so that when you are sixty you will have a good old age life. It is what most peaople do and what i have been doing. That is the reality offered to 75% of the population. Working from 8a.m to 5p.m, monday to tuesday. Stressed most of the time, cannot even pay yourself a good restaurant food. Take loan to pay for house, car furniture. Pay the loan, buy cheap clothes, food, cars. Could not even finish and furnish the house properly. Yeah that’s the reality of degree holders. You will say that is life and one has to sacrifice to live and you would even say there are poorer people in this world who cannot even eat. You will comfort yourself in this reality to have good conscience of the incapacity of the system to pay. You have stop dreaming because you are face with hard reality and your only goal is to have enough food everyday. You are not living you are struggling, yeah that’s reality. Then one day through quest i got the right to dream. The passion for this life. I am not a yet millionaire, but i started to believe that i can become one and it is not a sin. I work hard it is all about selling, the scheme is the plus which help us to sell. We do not tell any lies the scheme and the payment is all true. the only black point in achieving it is the level of commitment to the business. The business is hard, it not easy money, you have to sell to earn. Quest allow its IR to do either retailing or use the plan to sell the product, we are not stealing. I would like to ask you one thing about price, if you allow me. Have you heard of designer like Channel, christian dior and so on. Do you know that 1g of gold designed by them will cost you 50 times the same 1g of gold designed by the local jewellers. What makes such difference. In quest not allowed product made by Bernhard mayers, his product are great expensive yeah, but i like it and i treat it to the same level as any great designers, it is my right. Who can say that a watch made by Rado costing around $1000 is too expensive, that is the price. You do have sarees (Indian dresses) costing $500, so what. What is wrong in that. Do not fear what is new. Try to see it in different perspective, i do not judge anyone, so do not judge us without knowing, we are not bad people, quest is our passion our hope and we believe in it.
21 May 2007 16:18 23Well Juanita, all I can say is that you do have belief in your product, and the passion to go along with it. These are two essential elements of success in network marketing.
With God’s will you will get your dreams, whether it is through Quest’s business model, or the next one that comes along. Hopefully your business partners will weather the storm, and you will meet others who see the same value in the gold coin business.
I just pray for you that you do not make the same mistake a relative of mine has made, ie the mistake of “poor choice of partners”. He has tried almost 6 different “flavour of the month” MLM’s only to find that the company always seems to fail him (according to him anyway!).
Sometimes it is safer to go with the tried and tested..like Avon, Amway, CNI and the like who get themselves in the news with more positive headlines.
22 May 2007 14:36 24bismillahirrahumanirraheem
i think multilevel marketing is not a business.pls tell about mlm that is fraud or geniune.
23 May 2007 10:42 25Unlike Juanita, my eyes are not dazzled by dollar signs and I won’t enrich myself at the expense of enriching any criminal suspect whose business resembles that of a pyramid scheme.
24 May 2007 18:52 26did anyone actually use the bio disc?
juanita, i like ur comparison with branded products.
25 May 2007 15:31 27If you are riding a bicycle and as you are passing by a bunch of stray dogs, what are the chances the dogs’ gonna chew off your legs? Big fat chance right?
QuestNet is a USD1 Billion turnover company. Obviously it attracts bigger dogs. That’s how “unnamed Datuk” can end up in front page. Isn’t that silly? Shouldn’t that be the first thing to put up? A name. Haven’t they gotten all the facts right before putting up something in the front page? Is front page that cheap nowadays?
Ok ok. Obviously I am with QuestNet. I have been in the business for one year plus now. So far no one died or commited suicide in my network yet? It’s business as usual. Bio Disc, the seemingly overpriced piece of glass is still selling like hot cakes.
Frankly speaking, I was a sceptic too when I first knew about the “expensive glass”. It took me a while to realise how powerful it is. Well, it’s kind of like explaining how salt taste like if you have not tasted salt before. It’s impossible.
I suggest any of you that is interested to find out more, please look for Ms TP +60192312322. She conducts Bio Disc demo every Saturday morning 10am-11.30am at Floor 3A, Amcorp Mall, PJ Tower.
There are only two types of people in this world. One that “judge” before they understand… or we call them “prejudice”. It’s ok to be a sceptic but at least be an informed sceptic. If you already know it all, please don’t go. If you are the other type and you don’t mind finding out how you can save lots of money on medical bills, please go for the demo.
When was the last time you heard of a wellness product that doesn’t require maintenance and can last for at least 15 years. Not only that, if you are a real scrooge, you can share the Bio Disc with your whole village if you want to. The energy from this amazing product just doesn’t turn off and you can’t overuse the Bio Disc! Isn’t that value for money?
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
25 May 2007 17:11 28For Stevie -
According to you, it seems that the Biodisc is an amazing invention - perhaps it’s even able to cure a serious illness like cancer or diabetes, right? Does it come with a money-back guarantee? Can you provide the names & contact info of some registered Malaysian doctors who have recommended the product to their patients? Will EVERYONE who uses it experience better health? Are you in better health after having used it for one year plus? Are you & members of your network able to prove conclusively that you have ALL (I repeat, ALL)achieved better health by showing the laboratory results of your blood & urine tests BEFORE and AFTER having used the product? I suggest that a person should take a blood & urine test BEFORE buying the Biodisc (or any other health product) & take another similar test AFTER having used the product a couple of months. And as the Biodisc is touted as an excellent wellness device, Questnet should be confident enough to submit it to SIRIM for evaluation. People will know that the Biodisc is really effective & really safe to use if it has been independently tested & approved and carries the “SIRIM” label.
25 May 2007 17:31 29Another question for Stevie -
How can you be certain that the Biodisc can be effective for at least 15 years when it wasn’t invented in 1992 or earlier?
26 May 2007 01:36 30Great questions Brandon. You are right, the marketed BioDisc hasn’t been around for more than 15 years but the inventor, Dr Ian Lyons already had the technology for more than 25 years. He made his BioDisc prototype 15 years back and so far, the energy level hasn’t drop. That’s why there’s such a claim that the BioDisc can last for so long.
Technology wise, we are talking about the technology of harnessing “Scalar” energy. (If you need more info on Scalar energy, please visit www.nasa.gov
or check out Wikipedia).
Actually, all your concern has been addressed in Ms TP’s product demo. And yes, I have benefitted from this amazing product and of course there are hard proofs from people that has gain from using the BioDisc… if you are referring to medical reports and such.
After the demo, you will understand why and how some people with bad case of diabetes has been released from medications and insulin jabs after drinking the BioDisc energised water in less than 3 months. And how people with 20 over years sinus problem being relieved after using the BioDisc. There are just too many testimonies.
By the way, this product is based on harnessing the natural healing power of nature and it’s against man made medication or drugs. That means people actually stop popping pills after drinking the energised water. Do you think mainstream doctors will go all out promoting the BioDisc? It will hurt their bottom line wouldn’t it?
Once again, I wish I have the ability to explain how saltiness taste like to people that has never tasted salt before in this blog. I doubt I can. If you want to hear the truth from the source, please give Ms TP a call and let her know you will be attending her demo.
One more thing Brandon, if I give you full money back guarantee, will you get the BioDisc now?
26 May 2007 11:00 31For Stevie -
The reason I brought up the above questions earlier is that some of my personal friends are using the Biodisc right now & none of them are able to say confidently that their health have indeed changed for the better. Maybe some people can derive benefits from using the Biodisc while the majority do not. In a Biodisc demo (I had attended such a demo before), we never get to hear testimonies from those who haven’t benefited from using the product. It isn’t necessary for you to offer me a full money back guarantee as I can always borrow a Biodisc from a friend to try it out myself. Like most salespersons, you seem too eager to sell me a product by offering a personal guarantee while the company does not.
26 May 2007 18:50 32For Brandon,
Thanks for your feedback. Appreciate it. I am eager to promote the product because I have done enough research and I have seen it worked. That’s about it. Please do not buy it from me. Do get it from the person that introduced you to the BioDisc.
Frankly speaking, I am one of those that didn’t have much effect from the BioDisc. I am pretty healthy myself. To some people that I have recommended the BioDisc, it is priceless. Given a choice to take medication or drink Bio energised water, I think drinking water makes more sense.
I have been to many BioDisc demo myself. No kidding. At least 50… and I don’t think any of the demo out there is as good as Ms TP’s. Her demo explain exactly how the BioDisc works and more importantly, why some people got results and some don’t… or rather not yet.
Please don’t take my word for it. Go and check it out yourself. I believe she’s having another demo session next Saturday morning @ 10am-11.30am @ Amcorp, PJ. Please call her before going to book a seat. By the way, are you living in KL?
27 May 2007 12:22 33For Stevie -
Thanks for your response. A voltmeter can test accurately whether a car battery is “high or low in charge.” No one can definitely know whether a Biodisc’s scalar energy is at its peak as no standard equipment has yet been invented to measure its strength. Therefore, a buyer may end up with a Biodisc that’s not powerful enough or one that is defective to a certain extent. Perhaps this is one reason why the Biodisc works for some people but not for everybody. Also, no one knows whether very long-term usage of the Biodisc can have a boomerang effect on one’s health as no tests were conducted on white mice & such. For your info, I live just outside KL & am in town often.
27 May 2007 17:09 34Please post this message instead of the last one as I had missed out “PER YEAR” in that message. Thanks.
For Stevie again:
Just one last thing for you to clarify: Doesn’t the Biodisc lose an average of 6.6 per cent of its original power PER YEAR if it’s estimated to last 15 years? Or, amazingly enough, does the Biodisc have an in-built on/off switch that automatically shuts its original power (i.e.100 per cent) down to “0″ (zero) in less time than the blink of an eye at the end of the last day of its working life?
27 May 2007 17:39 35For Brandon -
Appreciate your reply. I wonder why the demo you went to did not mention about the Prognos & Schott certifications for BioDisc? A Prognos machine is what an astronaut uses to test his or her physical wellbeing before they shoot them in space. It does provide very accurate reading about a person’s health before & after using the BioDisc.
You can read about Prognos in (http://www.prognossystems.com/
) or just google it.
Having said that, machine can still be tweaked and human can still lie. The best test you can ever do on the BioDisc is water the energy water on plants or animals. We have testimonies that can shock you… I guest they didn’t show these proofs to you in the demo you went to.
Since you are living near KL, please do drop by Ms TP’s demo. What’s the harm of giving yourself another chance. Worst come to worst, you can start another blog hammering me & QuestNet. I have nothing to gain from you good health. I am saying all these because I know the product works. That’s all.
Nice talking to you. Look forward to see you in person one day. Cheers!
28 May 2007 09:13 36For Stevie -
Thanks for the additional info. As far as I’m aware, a Prognos machine isn’t made available to test a person’s on-going well-being during Biodisc demos. So just a few more words from me. Rock salt, canning salt, kosher salt, iodized salt, solar salt, Dead Sea salt, etc. Salt comes in different varieties & saltiness varies from one variety to another. Perhaps Biodiscs are like salt. Depending on your luck, you may end up with a winner or a dud as no standard machine is used to test its energy level at the time you buy it. As it’s estimated to last 15 years or so, probably the Biodisc loses its scalar energy right from Day One. So maybe that’s why the company is trying to clear off older stocks at special promo prices. Also, no sensible business person would offer discounts if his or her product is already selling like hot cakes. Perhaps the more you make use of the Biodisc, the faster its scalar energy dissipates as there’s no special equipment to recharge it. Salt doesn’t lose its flavour but we can’t say the same thing about the Biodisc’s energy, can we?
Anyway, I wish you all the best in your business!
28 May 2007 16:00 37I have been using bio disc as instructed by QN IR for about 4 months now, my back pain still no inprovement, still got sinus problem which they have testiment that bio disc can cure, Bio disc is just a piece of high quality glass that can benseen from the Scott Glass Certificate. I will make complaint to Ministry of trade and consumer affairs. I try to dechlorine tape water using bio disc it also fail
28 May 2007 16:07 38Bio disc:
A useless piece of very high quality glass selling for about RM 1000
do you think it’s a scam? those believe in it had been deeply brain washed. you can check on energized water scam or hexagonal water scam on the net.
28 May 2007 16:41 39Specilized, maybe you can still use it as a magnifying glass to read the newspaper. See Comment No. 16 above.
28 May 2007 20:31 40Nope, doesn’t work. I tried to use it as a magnifying glass like you suggested, but all I see are lines and circles!
28 May 2007 21:39 41I have also tried to use it to improve my stamina by placing it in my waterbackpack on mountain bike mountain climb you know what, no difference at all, after trying all kind of methods I finally realized, it’s just a piece of glass and that’s all, whatever show that they present to you is just tricks, like MONDO MAGIC.
28 May 2007 21:46 42Bio disc and energized water are JUNK SCIENCE or PSEUDOSCIENCE, you can learn details about these scams on www.chem1.com
, we (including myself) are very vulnerable to these kind of scam if we are not equiped with such scientific knowledge.
28 May 2007 22:25 43Being an ex-staff of QuestNet i am compelled to state that it is the most unprofesionally run MLM company in this galaxy. About 200,000 fully paid products are yet to be delivered. The quality of its Board of Directors totally sucks. The turnover of the Company has been grossly overstated. I really pray that with this recent tsunami that has hit the company, the datuk will finally wake up and smell the coffee. It is really shocking that the datuk allows people to fall on his feet. To be continued.
28 May 2007 22:57 44Geee, specilized, you really specilized in all not working!I guess you must have placed it in the wrong place! See the place you put, maybe your waterbackpack on mountain bike improved its stamina instead of you!
Maybe to you it doesn’t work, but how about those who testified that it works for them? Are you calling them liars?
29 May 2007 10:49 45Who are most of those who have testified & are testifying that the Bio Disc is such a wonderful product? Your guess is as good as mine. They are the active IRs (Independent Distributors) who want you to buy the product & sign up as a member also. When you attend a Bio Disc meeting, the emphasis is usually on how you can earn more money by recruiting more members under you to sell more Bio Discs.
29 May 2007 14:16 46Have you used the disc yourself apart from attending the presentation? My guess is as good as yours! No, my dear sir, your guess is better than mine cos you are guessing and I am not! You mean to say that most of these testimonies are only from active IRs! If you can just look at things from the other angle. Maybe you should know why; is it because that they have used the disc and found to be beneficial to them and they wanted to share (that’s why they are called active). If something is good, won’t you want to share with your friends? And if you can make some money out of that, is it wrong!
29 May 2007 14:39 47Thanks, Specilized, for giving the address of the excellent website on water scams:
EVERYONE, including Bio Disc representatives, should read the various web pages on aquasacams especially:
Even the BIO DISK (BIO DISC)is listed as a product of the junk science in the market place in this page:
29 May 2007 14:51 48This is the actual page where the BIO DISK (BIO DISC) is assessed:
(Scroll down the page to go to the description about the Bio Disk).
29 May 2007 15:45 49Geee, kinda bias, ain’t you! So what is stated at chem1.com is the gospel truth to you and what is stated at the biodisc site can’t be! Like I asked, have you ever try to use this disc yourself just to prove it doesn’t work! At least specilized did and he could attest to that through his experiences. Isn’t that’s what science is suppose to be, to test to prove or disprove! Don’t just believe mine or chem1.com words, just try it yourself and then state your opinions based on your proof.
29 May 2007 18:06 50Antonmax,
Chem1.com state scientific facts, bio disc sales persons (Questnet IR) trying to make money from junk science/pseudoscience/mythical believe, who should you trust?
Miracle power from Bio disc does not exist in this world, it’s the power of your mind that cure you.
Basically you can collect a piece of stone from mountain stream and call it “bio disc” and it will perform the same as questnet bio disc, it should not cost you a lot.
29 May 2007 19:37 51Yeah, I agree with Specilized! It’s a positive mental attitude (i.e. faith) that can often cure your illness or reduce its severity. When you believe in yourself or someone or something, you may often achieve what you aim for whether it’s more income or better health. So a piece of stone from a mountain stream is a good or lucky talisman if you really believe that it will do wonders for your health. So why bother to get an expensive Bio Disc???
29 May 2007 20:40 52Antonmax, I had asked several IRs whether their health have actually improved after having used the Bio Disc & some of them replied,”Not sure” or “Not yet.” But all those who replied “Not sure” and “Not yet” are still keen to make more money of out the scheme. As they had invested lots of $$$ in expensive pieces of glass, perhaps they all want to recoup their capital & make some profits as fast as possible before the market for Bio Discs bottoms out. It appears that the interest to make more money is the stronger force that drives most IRs to say all sorts of wonderful things about the Bio Disc.
29 May 2007 20:57 53Nixon,
For those who have not received the bio disc (Made in Germany) do not worry I can immediately send them replacement Biodisc (millions of years old sacred stone) from high mountain stream at Borneo Highland, just pay the postal charges and some fuel cost.
29 May 2007 22:07 54Specilized,
Have you tried to use your mind power to cure yourself? Your back pain? Your stamina in mountain biking? Did you find a stone that can do the same? If so, do please tell!
Have chem1.com done some test to disprove that the biodisc works, or do they just place it under one of their junk science/pseudoscience/mythical believe and you only believe what they claimed. You can’t believe IRs selling this but you can go into the net and believe the scientific facts from people you didn’t even know! Ain’t we just being lop sided!
Hey, why Borneo Highlands? You mean you can only find the sacred stone at Borneo highlands and not any place else!
29 May 2007 22:10 55Glenn A,
Samo samo; do try to cure yourself with your mind! And you and specilized are good ones to talk about junk science!
29 May 2007 22:16 56Marco,
I don’t know which several IRs you have asked who replied “Not sure” or “Not yet”, but there are sure several more who will reply to you “Sure”, “For sure”, “definitely”, “Thank god for biodisc”, “Taste like spring water” (this one from an old woman who tasted the water from the biodisc), etc….How can you share something if you yourself have doubts!
29 May 2007 22:23 57Yup Nixon,
You can start a biz with Specilized to sell sacred stone from Borneo Highlands. Why have to pay fuel cost? I thought the sacred stone is supposed to give you super stamina to your mountain bike that you can peddle all da way up, scope up all da sacred stones, stick them all over ya body and peddle all da way down! You only have to pay for the postal charges, or maybe you don’t becos you can use peddle power (power of your mind) to distribute the sacred stones all over da world!
29 May 2007 23:10 58Antonmax
If bio disc can do what it claims I will buy a lot more and stick it all over my body, by doing so may be I can beat Lance Armstrong and won Tour De France.
29 May 2007 23:16 59Antonmax,
How the old women who tasted the bio disc water can tell it’s taste like spring water, what does spring water taste like, has she ever tasted spring water, which spring water you are talking about. some spring water I have tasted are terrible.
29 May 2007 23:32 60Antonmax
I heard that stone from Mount Kinabalu are better can cure AIDS too!!
Thanks for your suggestion to JV with NIXON It should be “a bit” more profitable than Bio disc If not allowed at the same price of bio disc because it should cost a bit less than biodisc - need to import silica sand from here to make the glass. I suggest bio disc should cost RM50 max. Can check with Schott Glass AG
30 May 2007 00:03 61Exact descriptions from SCHOTT Glass Certificate for biodisc:
“This is to certify that Bio Disc is manufactured at the SCHOTT AG Grunenplan Plant in Germany. Exclusively for Quantum Intelligence Sdn Bhd in Kuala Lumpur. Utilizing special grade glass components as to achieve the finest quality glass product”
try to find out from SCHOTT Glass, a international manufacturer of glass product - bottles, jar etc (not health product manufacturer) whether there is anything special about BIODISC.
30 May 2007 01:18 62Specialized,
You heard and you believe! Remarkable! You really must market this stone! No wonder I heard a lot of people are climbing Mount Kinabalu now! Did you managed to bring home some stones from your climb?
NIXON – WATERGATE!!!!!!!
SCHOTT Glass Certificate for biodisc
PROGNOS Certificate for energy for biodisc
30 May 2007 04:02 63Specialized,
Non, non, du not stick the biodisc all over your body. If you fall down you might hurt yourself! Don’t want that to happen, do we!
I was suggesting the sacred stone, but if you insist on sticking them all over your body to desperately win the Tour De France, who am I
to say otherwise! Maybe Lance Armstrong has a stone or biodisc with him, who knows!
The key word was “old woman”. Long, long ago, there was this young woman who lived up in the mountains (maybe Borneo Highlands). All da time she drank water from the spring water. Long time has passed and now she is OLD, and she stays in an urban area and had not tasted spring water for a long time. Savvy!
Maybe, there are some people living upstream from where you drank your stream water!
30 May 2007 10:10 64To Antonmax - I said that a positive mental attitude can OFTEN cure an illness or lessen its severity. I did NOT say that it ALWAYS does.
The website http://www.chem1.com/CQ/
is a FREE public service set up by a retired faculty member (former professor) of the Dept of Chemistry, Simon Fraser University Burnaby/Vancouver Canada to enlighten people about various water scams. The website http://questbiodisc.com/
has been specifically set up by Questnet to drum up more business for the Bio Disc. Now, which website has got the lion’s share of the truth? Probably some testimonials posted in the Questnet’s website are far from the truth. If you give a person ENOUGH in cash or kind, he or she will endorse a product & sing praises about it.
Anyone who is not satisfied with the Bio Disc or any of Questnet’s products, please file a complaint with:
The Consumers Association of Penang (CAP)
Address: 228, Jalan Macalister, 10400 Pulau Pinang, Malaysia
Contact person: Mr. S.M.Mohd. Idris, President
Fax: + 604-2298106
If you’re a Singapore resident, please direct your complaint to the Consumers Association of Singapore (CASE)whose website address is -http://www.case.org.sg/#
30 May 2007 16:23 65QN should sponsor me with many pieces of biodisc to race in Tour DE Langkawi to prove it’s worthdiness, since QN had already made millions $$ from selling bio disc.
30 May 2007 17:13 66Gee, you all seem to talk nonesense. All you do is critisize and bicker. Don’t you have anything better in life to do? Perhaps not. I guess you all are not financially retired??
Why don’t you all do the world a favor and start looking inside. What have you done to make this world a better place to live in??
I suggest read the book - “who will cry when you die”? This will help you have a close look at your life and see how productive it has really been…
The people who seem to critisize all the time live a pathetic life. You are like chicken littles…The world is ending ! Everyone is cheating us…
Remember, people treat you the way you want to be treated. If you are currently being mistreated, then have a look at your life. Are you allowing it? What did you do to bring about this? I believe you exactly have what you deserve. You only get what you give…
So if you want more in life then go get up your ass and do something more positive!
Hope this helps and wake up ALL those negative bickering people!
30 May 2007 17:15 67Gee, Glen A, we are only expressing our opinions! No need to get so uptight!
Do you know the former professor? Have you ever tried to e-mail him? Do try and let me know cos I tried to e-mail him but guess what, e-mail no work!
I know, only the Ang Mo lang website tells the truth and now you are saying some testimonies in Questnet’s website were far from the truth! See, you are calling these people who gave testimonies LIARS, right! Further, you insult their intelligent by saying that they sang praise about the biodisc because they were being given enough in cash or kind!
I know, I know, you have to disprove biodisc cos you were also paid enough in cash or kind to sing against it!
30 May 2007 17:24 68Specilized,
You gotta believe in it or your power of intent would be so strong as to negate it’s effect; You know, de mind over da matter thing!
Also, should the officials of Tour de Langkawi ever found out that you are boosting yourself with the so many pieces of biodisc, they might disqualify you from the race! I think you can try with that piece you have. 1 piece might not arouse suspicion, but a whole bunch of it would sure make you stand out in the crowd! Also, vely heavy lah! How to cycle like that!
30 May 2007 17:26 69Dear Friends,
I am a victim of QI. My biodisc fell down and broke into pieces as my dreams
30 May 2007 17:42 70Dear Ahmed,
Take care of the disc and the disc will take care of you! You are a victim of your own carelessness! It’s made of glass, for goodness sake, and so if it fell down, sure would shatter! Don’t worry, your dreams are still intact cos we always have the power of de mind!
30 May 2007 18:31 71It gives me an idea to achieve financial freedom by creating fake bio disc and sell at dscount say RM500, I will make a fortune out of it.
Actually QN IR are mostly good honest people who believe what they were preached, a lot of facts are not told by their senior.
For Peter, I am financially free already, but I do not make it from biodisc. I spend a lot of time doing “nonsense things” eg cycling & climbing & trail riding
30 May 2007 18:39 72dear ahmad
No worry It’s just a piece of glass, your business is still on, I can make replica.
My close relative had already made 10 X USD250 cheque already, but her expenses is a lot higher than income still in the red, you know to attend V conference in KL you have to pay QN USD450.
30 May 2007 18:48 73Specilized,
Don’t be like that lah! You are already financially free, but us poor buggers are still in de poor house. Give us a chance to be like you loh! I sure would like to go up mountains (Borneo Highlands in particular) and drink from the streams, taste aside! Make sure you invite us for your “nonsense things”, ok!
30 May 2007 18:57 74Well for “Specialized”, if you are financially free then why bag anything? Whether it may be the biodisc or anything at all?
If you made it to financial freedom using “network marketing”, it makes me wonder how it happened. It seems you are “busy” bagging other “products” other than yours. What makes yours the best anyway? I am not doing or selling the “biodisc” either but give others a break will you…
Other companies who made it to the top had to undergo intense scrutiny from the mediocrity who believes living is working 9-5pm.
Have you read all the success stories of all the people who made it to the top? Did you know almost everyone put them down.
If you are financially retired which I doubt, then yours actions do not speak of it at all.
So if you consider yourself successful then give others who are working towards financial success a break.
All I can say for those of you who are doing the “biodisc” or any product for that matter. Good on you my friends. Help more people and serve as many people as you can. It is only by serving people can you call yourself truely successful because you have helped someone breath easier!
30 May 2007 19:11 75Antonmax, I NEVER said some testimonials in Questnet’s website are far from the truth. I ONLY said “PROBABLY” (i.e. maybe, perhaps). I also NEVER said Questnet IRs were paid enough cash or kind to sing praises about the Bio Disc. I ONLY said “A PERSON” will endorse “A PRODUCT” (Bio Disc IRs & the Bio Disc were NOT specifically mentioned). By the way, you had posted around 12 comments & you had NEVER mentioned that you have personally benefited from using the Bio Disc. If I were to ask you right now whether you have indeed benefited from it, your answer would LIKELY be a resounding “Yes!” But who would believe you now? PROBABLY you’re paid to defend the Bio Disc. It SEEMS that, to you, the Bio Disc has extraordinary powers just like the rings in the movie “Lord of the Rings.” To your question “Do you know the former professor”, here’s my reply: Do you know the Datuk & all Questnet big shots PERSONALLY AND have you rubbed shoulders with them or play golf with them regularly?
31 May 2007 12:46 76With due respect to all users of this website, i hope you will all read with interest when Nixon writes becos he is an ex-staff of QuestNet. Please do not use this website as a sales pitch. I believe the main objective of writing herein is to ascertain whether our beloved Dato’ Vijay is an innocent victim of circumstances or otherwise. I assure you that QNet has not been set up to cheat the people. Unfortunately Dato Vijay did not grow together with the Company. He totally failed to transform himself into a top notch CEO. The biggest problem with QNet is that the backend support to the IRs is unbelievably poor after 9 years in existence. The Corporate people are of extremely low caliber especially the Directors. The composition of the Board of Directors have not changed from day one except for termination of 2 Good Founders and resignation of a Director. The corporate managers spend 70% of their time fighting with the Directors. There is no quality time being spent on the network services AT ALL. VTeam is higly ineffective. VTeam leaders mainly consist of defunct IRs. Their job is to blindly praise Dato Vijay. Dato Vijay has been transformed into somesort of divine by the VTeam and the Directors. As for QNet network marketing business, i wish to highlight that we are one million light years behind Amway. QNet sells the business compensation plan and not the products. Their products are NO WHERE Beverly Hill material. It is closer to Petaling Street category. Why is it that despite huge sales, Vijay has not done anything about making QNet a top leader in MLM industry? It’s because he does not have any corporate experience. Moreover, he is not really a clean guy. The mission of the Qi Group called RYTHM (raise yourself to help mankind) is rubbish. 37,000 IRs and their families left in the lurge in Nepal. 40,000 IRs cheated in SLanka as they are unable to do the business there except in a hidden manner. In Malaysia, we have a highly incapable man named Magandran Rajadurai who allows QNet world plan to be openly promoted. This is purely illegal as QNet has been banned in Malaysia. The government gave licence only to conduct the local plan under a local company named QN Global Sdn Bhd. The sales of this QN Global is close to NIL. QNet needs to be revamped in totality. Its entire Board need to be removed and replaced with people with quality. The ‘Sphere of Silence’ is being claimed by Vijay as a top seller but the quantity of books sold is a classified information. Vijay goes to bed around 5am and starts his day in the corporate office at about 8pm - totally against the law of mother nature and Sphere of Silence. Corporate staff are almost daily called to cling around him from 10pm to 3am. How do managers run the company effectively when all the power lies with the Directors who come to work after 2pm? To be continued.
31 May 2007 12:49 77Back to serious, no nonsense, I am not trying to sell anthing or make any money from here, I never involved in network markiting also, I just want people to be aware of all kind of scams in the market. Beware mislead by MLM and MLM products. You can definitely be healtier if you climb the Borneo highland & mount K. more often no need to depend on Biodisc or sacred mysterious stones. My experience with bio disc is the truth.
31 May 2007 12:53 78I wish to tell all you IRs not to let Vijay and his Directors to suck the blood out of you guys who risk your lives to promote QNet. We have clearly seen the shocking outburst of the IRs at the recent Redirect. The Qi Directors now got a new tactic - just cry when put under pressure, especially Richard. Vijay then comes after 11pm and make the IRs apologise to corporate saying that we must tackle the issue and not the person. God ! When will this Dato ever learn. To be continued.
31 May 2007 13:07 79I stongly suggest with respect that all of you stop using this website for sales pitch. Instead the objective should be to ascertain whether our beloved Dato is innocent victim of circumstances or otherwise.
31 May 2007 13:28 80Glenn A.,
Please also do not forget that QNet left 37,000 families in the lurge in Nepal and ditched another 40,000 in Sri Lanka. Should we rub shoulders with these kind of QNet Founders & directors who raise themselves to ruin others? By the way, QNet business is banned in Msia. The COO, Magandran, openly allows the world plan to be promoted in Qi premises in PJ. The only biz plan that is legal and approved in Msia is QN Global, the sales of which is zero. It is just a matter of time that Mag will be picked up.
31 May 2007 13:33 81For Stevie,
I rode bicycle pass a bunch of stray dogs many times, they never able to get me.
31 May 2007 15:39 82Whow, whow, hold onto your horsy, Glenn A. Ok, ok, you never said a lot of things but you did tell a lot too! When you used the words “probably” and “maybe” and “perhaps”, you were already implying that! Although you did not specifically mentioned Questnet IRs were paid enough cash or kind to sing praises about the Bio Disc, you were insinuating that they were, right!
You know why I never mentioned I have indeed benefited from the Bio Disc, because if I did, you would say “But who would believe you now”. Yup, you are probably, maybe and perhaps right that I was paid to defend the Bio Disc cos my payment in kind are the benefits I derived from the usage of the Bio Disc.
Now, let me ask you again; have you yourself use the Bio Disc to disprove its extraordinary powers? I don’t know what extraordinary powers the rings in the movie “Lords of the Rings” have cos never used them so I cannot acclaim to what they are capable of! Probably, maybe or perhaps you have, so do share with us and maybe I can try too! Where can you get one of these rings to try, mind I ask?
Nope, I don’t have the opportunity to rub shoulders with the big shots, but I do know some of the small shots who gave the testimonies whom you said, and I quote, “Probably some testimonials posted in the Questnet’s website are far from the truth.”
31 May 2007 16:13 83Specialized,
Now I know you can win the Tour de France and the Tour de Langkawi! Go, go, go, allez, allez, allez!If you do ever enter into one of these races, do let us know and we will support you!
On the other hand, climbing mountains can be hazardous to your health! Not everyone is as healthy as you and can climb Borneo highland & mount K. more often! Someone with some heart problem or some breathing problems would definitely be more unhealthier if they attempted to climb as you suggested!
Me, too! Not trying to sell anything, cos you never read anywhere in my posts that I asked anyone to buy, did you! Me only try to say, you find it good, use it, not find it good, no use it! It’s a free world, and nobody, I mean nobody can force anything on anyone anytime!
31 May 2007 16:44 84Testimonial in the biodisc website seem to be miracle, if such a miracle biodisc exist a lot of doctor would either use it as a tool or may will loose business to it. it should be banned by the relevant ministry if the claims were to be false, but if it is as good everyone should have one. I personally think the claims are bull….
31 May 2007 16:48 85Nixon
Can we know more about “The shocking outburst of IRS at the recent redirect”
31 May 2007 19:41 86Antonmax,
Probably some testimonials are far from the truth IF they were given by people like you. On one occasion (Comment No.82) you testified that you have derived benefits from using the Bio Disc. But on an earlier occasion (Comment No.40) you testified that all you could see were lines & circles when you tried to use the Bio Disc as a magnifying glass to read the newspaper. So probably you were joking (i.e. not being truthful)on both occasions, right? Probably the testimonials that you heard were far from the truth IF those small shots were people like you. As for the rings, probably you can find them if you surf the Net for “Lord of the Rings merchandise or memorabilia.” Good luck then in your search!
31 May 2007 23:24 87Glenn A,
I did tell the truth! I was trying what someone earlier suggested to use as a magnifying glass cos if you don’t try you don’t know, right! So, I tried to use and all I saw were lines and circles, and that’s the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me, god!I don’t know what gave you the idea I tried reading newspaper cos all I wrote was “I tried to use it as a magnifying glass like you suggested, but all I see are lines and circles!” Never did say read newspaper with it, did I! Now, who is far from the truth!
My question again; Have you tried to use it to prove or disprove? At least I did and specilized did too, and we can both attest to its ye or nae, but can you!And you are a fine one to just blatantly dismiss other’s claims!And now you are belittling these small shots! Try it first and then you can testify. Trust me, if you say it doesn’t work for you after trying, I won’t say a word and I would respect that and you can take that to the bank!
About the rings, again my question; have you tried them for their extraordinary powers? You began that, not I, so stick to it and prove to me first that the rings do possess the extraordinary powers, and I quote “…has extraordinary powers just like the rings in the movie “Lord of the Rings.” You did that to the Bio Disc, so now your turn to use the rings yourself and prove their extraordinary powers. Then you can tell me and I would try it too! Fair and evenly square, isn’t it!
31 May 2007 23:31 88Radzi,
First, get one or borrow one to try it first! No need to buy, otherwise, someone would accuse me of trying to do a sales pitch to you! If it works for you or not then, then you can decide, otherwise…
See, the sentence you wrote about doctors; “or may will loose business to it”. Now you get it!
This is a wellness tool, not a health tool and should be a compliment and not an exclusive to medicine!
You got something against bull?
01 June 2007 10:42 89Antonmax, it was NOT suggested that you should use the Bio Disc as a magnifying glass to look at something else. Since you did NOT use it to read the newspaper, you have NOT followed the suggestion at all. If the Bio Disc is SOOO good, it will work for EVERY Tom, Dick & Harry. Since it did NOT work for Specilized, PROBABLY it won’t work for me as well. So why should I throw good money down the drain for something that might not work for me in the end? I never said that those rings have extraordinary powers in REAL life. But in REEL life (i.e. in the movies), they do possess such powers. But since you’re the type who believes that “if you don’t try, you don’t know”, then you should buy those rings from a Lord of the Rings merchandise website to try them out. And you can also search the Net for “immortality rings” sold by a Chinese guy in San Francisco & try out those rings,too! So good luck to you in your trying…and ..trying!
01 June 2007 12:50 90According to Professor Martin Chaplin in his website on Water Structure & Science (see latest visitor’s book entry), healthy life-promoting water molecules from pure springs do not have a left-turning spin (i.e. they do not spin in a counter-clockwise direction).
Professor Chaplin is currently Professor of Applied Science and a University Director of Research of South Bank University, London.
His current interests lie mainly with structural aspects of polysaccharides and water, how dietary fibre may interact with the structure of water and so be beneficial to health, and he has a particular interest concerning intracellular water.